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Is America culture-less?

CHINA | Wednesday, 17 October 2007 | Views [7326] | Comments [13]

I traveled to the other side of the world to find McDonald's, Starbucks, and Wal-Mart.  Seeing young men wearing baseball hats, middle aged men wearing business suits, young women wearing cowboy boots, and older women wearing their "Sunday best" is so common that it's the norm. About four million of the 17 in Beijing are foreigners.

If I ignore the streams of black hair and eyes that flood the streets, buses, subways, restaurants, and...every other bit of space, it seems that, without trying too hard, I could easily feel as if I never left American soil.

So why is it continuously claimed that America has no culture? When I was traveling last summer, this was a claim of Europeans. Growing up in the outskirts of New Orleans, a place so seething with culture that people know it around the world for the music, food, and mixed ethnicities, it obviously was somewhat hurtful to hear nationals of older countries being somehow unable to understand the culture of my home sake.

But, without further proving the cultural significance of America, how can a country with culture from before people cared to write about it being so willing to adopt the customs and traditions (aside from dinner manners) of such a young, foreign, and distant cousin?

It's like an elderly grandmother (who is still very cognitive and active) deciding that wearing pacifier clips and footie pajamas is more stylish than brooches and heels. In an effort to "keep up", China has managed to disregard it's own way of living in favor of a slick street style that many claim is void of meaning.

Since I've been in Beijing I've often referred to my time in Dongyang as when I was the only foreigner. To an extent that's not true. It was me, KFC, and a billboard of Ludacris. A small town by China's standards, a million people could recognize fried chicken from Kentucky, a rapper from Illinois (I had to look that up), and an English teacher from Louisiana.

Two men I work with, Mick and Dave, are Irish. Mick grew up in Cork (in southern Ireland) while Dave grew up in Boston. One evening they were chatting about Irish customs, and Mick said something remarkable.

"Sometimes, it seems to me that Irish-Americans are more Irish than we are."

I've been to several Chinatowns in the States and abroad, and I think those Chinese people are probably more Chinese than many of the Chinese I've met in China.

So maybe the culture in America is imported, but it's there. Maybe a country of immigrants had to maintain roots by overdoing culture from the motherland. Maybe cultural significance in the US is hard to pin down because it's all cultures.

But that's a lot more than what I've seen in China. Even Chinese people double take when they see someone in traditional Chinese dress.

Everything in China is fake, from the Great Wall to the Nikes. And almost every museum or site I've been to has some blurb about reproductions or rebuilding after the Cultural Revolution. It's so ubiquitous that I often wonder if someone just overlooked that detail if it's not there. The Cultural Revolution, in its effort to unite the people and make art and literature for everyone, effectively destroyed centuries of art, temples, literature, and thought. In a few years, it managed to remove the Chinese aspect of being Chinese and replace it with the desire to be modern. Weirdly enough, the idea was to enhance the culture of China, to take away the pretentious aspects of art and make it available to everyone. Of course, Mao said it best, "Any army without culture is a dull-witted army, and a dull-witted army cannot defeat the enemy."

My question is: Having destroyed all religion and much art and antiques, what exactly do you think culture is, Mr. Mao?

The only people that seem to be clinging to what survived the Cultural Revolution are shop keepers at antique markets. Even there, foreigners are constantly warned against fakes. And the shop keeps will easily part with their treasured culture given the right price.

I don't have a conclusion to this diatribe of America's greatness. I still want to see other places. I still want to experience other cultures. I will still be surprised by what I see. But I'm falling more in love with what I left in the process.

Until I return, China still has jiaozi, and that is one delicious bit of culture that America needs to adopt.

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Comments

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well written and well observed. As a 'European' before I emigrated elsewhere, I would probably have been one of those to say elsewhere has no culture. My Mum hates Americans and everything they stand for, even though they don't know any nor have they been. Europeans call America 'arrogant' yet I can't think of a better term for their own views except perhaps ignorant.

ps - I'm no apologist for the US either, but at least I have been, have several well travelled US friends and see at least some positives of their culture!

  simon_monk Oct 21, 2007 6:24 AM

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Although I am under 18, I have traveled to a variety of places in the world such as Pakistan, Austria, Hungary, China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Kuwait, Oman, and the United States both as a tourist and a resident. I have studied many languages like Arabic, Chinese, Indonesian, French, and English. As soon as I stepped into America, I was amazed by the cleanliness and neatness of the country. I saw beautiful sidewalks, houses, supermarkets, and actually happy people which is a very important thing. However, as I settled in America I noticed something unique or rather strange. All the 'beautiful sidewalks, houses, supermarkets, and actually happy people' are exactly the same. If you have read Lois Lowry's 'The Giver' you might understand me. The United States is like a utopia, excluding its high crime rates, but it is too much of a perfect society. There are hardly any variations in lifestyles like work, school, and food. Even the television ads lack culture. You would think it is common and typical for a person to say "I hate my job, maybe I should work at the soap factory, I can get lots of money from it", and you are right. Education is part of culture and according to the 2010 PISA surveys, only 75% of students in the United States graduate high school. I wonder why? Being at a school myself, I hear the words "I hate school, its so boring" all the time. Even I myself say that often in front to people. If you are a student in the Independent School District system, it means you get to go to elementary, middle, and high school in the same place with out ever moving. Great isn't it? Not having to go anywhere, staying comfy at home, I have a life here....etc... This is what an American would normally say if you ask them. Most americans never even travelled outside of the US. However, I have met many Americans outside of American and I find them nice and polite. They have seen the world outside of America and has a better understanding of culture and life. Americans have culture, but in small amounts. From my perspective I don't think they are advancing, but staying idle. Maybe this is their culture, a culture of culture-less-ness.

  Rachel May 20, 2010 10:32 PM

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"All the 'beautiful sidewalks, houses, supermarkets, and actually happy people' are exactly the same."

You aren't as well traveled as you believe. You've probably seen some manufactured city and are attributing its characteristics to all of America.

  avant-garde_chauvintist May 20, 2010 10:58 PM

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no avante garde chauvinist shes right..people here are so content with everything the way it is..Im afraid to say anything even remotely bad about my great home country without getting into an argument or being called a communist leftist..America has a culture alright more like corporate culture and not much else..i wish things werent so clean and spread out ..I wish things felt more genuine and unique..it seems all people ever care about is buying this or shopping and everything done to educate yourself is to acquire newer better things with no genuine value ..Im 18 nowbut I hope to move one day..

  John Sep 23, 2010 1:58 PM

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It's certainly interesting, isn't it? My opinion may be offensive to some people, but I urge you to read on since my point isn't meant to be offensive.

Simply put, American culture, or more accurately Western culture precedes the culture in China. Is that a shocking statement? The mistake people make, is that they confuse culture with history. If it's a matter of history, then no doubt China predates the United States. Only a hopelessly ignorant person could think otherwise. However, the main question to ask is, "how much of China's history affects the lives of the people currently living in China"? I've been all over China, from the east coast, to the south, to the central parts. Nearly every aspect of life has Western origins, at at least origins that are not Chinese. Look at the various machines for communication, and transportation, for example. Look at the systems in which each is a part. Each of these has chains of social effects that determine the order and flow of life. Even the modern concept of time is of western origin, dating back to industrial times. How much of a Chinese person's day-to-day activities in life the end result of thousands of years of history?

Culture is technique. If you want an expansion of that concept, I suggest reading Vanderburg or Ellul, for example. Technique exists in every modern, or modernizing society and it is incompatible with culture. In fact, it destroys culture since there becomes a "one best way" to do everything as defined by efficiency and progress. The culture we think is culture, is really just a collection of superficialities. Indigenous foods, dances, dining etiquette...etc. This is what people call culture nowadays because they do not know anything different.

Americans telling me how much of a "culture shock" it was to go to Asia are ridiculous. Are such trivial differences really that shocking?! Is is so different to cross a street with the same pavement material, the same painted symbols with the same meanings, walk over the same crosswalk, watch the same lights change color, or drive according to the rules of the road that are essentially the same anywhere? That's just one example among countless that you can see with open eyes. We fool ourselves by thinking that there is diversity in this world, using such trivialities as reference points. Differences that might remain, the best examples of which are found in rural areas and are really quite fascinating, are will submit to modern technique in the near future. To let these last vestiges of culture remain would be inefficient and against the principle of progress.

  Zhang85 Nov 28, 2010 8:49 AM

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I, too, think you're confused if you think that the cultural differences of Asia shouldn't elicit culture shock. The culture of a people extends to the way of life, which is essentially what I think culture is. Three years ago when I originally wrote this, I was experiencing clothing choices, eating habits, relationship lifestyles, and language, body language, and comfort zone differences. It's vast and dramatic. Perhaps some are more accustomed to dealing with these differences better, but that certainly doesn't mean the differences don't exist. Or someone's reaction isn't as significant because it might affect another differently.

In essence, just because they use cell phones and microwaves in china doesn't mean the culture is in any way like that of another place.

  avant-garde_chauvintist Nov 29, 2010 4:00 PM

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I agree with much of what thefirst writer has to say, and also much of what is subsequently written. But one thing is clear - technology isn't culture. And I am a little shocked at how little the writer has penetrated the uniqueness of Chinese culture - the idea of 'xiao' or filial piety, the idea of sharing food rhather than eating seperately, the idea of the 'fast culture ' where you are expected to order right away, and drink beer fast, the different education system, the 'legalism' aspect where students are operating under greater freedom restrictions and 11 o'clock curfews, the idea of a 'middle' Kingdom that pervades Chinese consciousness (it's the meaning of China or Zhong Guo, middle earth) and of course, the idea of sex after marriage is still (from personal experience) very common.

The idea of crowd behaviour versus individual behaviour, the so-called inner circle of politeness versus the crowd aspect of no-politeness, the idea of face andcommunity, the idea of doing business bynot talking aboutmoney, of drinking to establish trust in a business deal,the idea of telling little lies to save face, the idea of..I could go on..

But generally speaking, it seems that the writer is to a large extent right - Mao did destroy much oF ANCIENT CULTURE, and many young people are sceptical towards anything ancient or traditional. But lets admit - they ARE big differences,whether you like them or not.

Jamie

  Jamie Sep 25, 2011 11:32 PM

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I find that people who make these kinds of sweeping judgements of the USA usually have their mind made up about us long before they get here. I will agree with one point, in the sort of terms people might usually consider "culture", that is: food, language, art, religion, customs, etc the USA has no culture; it has dozens of them. Try to tell me that Minneapolis and San Francisco have anything in common; or Austin, TX and Augusta, ME; Seattle, WA and Savannah, Georgia. If the only places you go to in the USA are shopping malls and dine out at fast food joints, I can see why you might get that idea, but anybody is free to choose what parts of our country to take in when they come here. If you choose only the most superficial, that's your fault, not ours.

  Daniel Nov 21, 2011 12:18 PM

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Hey dahlin,
I'm from New Orleans too, but I have to say that most of the USA indeed has no culture. Bland, processed food, whiny, nasally speech, clueless about history, art, politics, and philosophy, morbidly obese: come on!

  Matt Miller Oct 28, 2013 1:17 AM

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I think it is highly self evident that various Americans on here have such differing opinions over what constitutes culture in our own country.

The irony is, those of us accuse another of not having a culture are acting in accordance with a bias we have rooted in our own definition of what a culture is... and that is informed by none other than culture itself.

The USA is a mirror for the world. There are many layers of culture here. You would be hard pressed to /not/ find some representation of the world here. We are without culture only because we are full of culture.

Yet over time the walls that separate us are torn down. The transference of good ideas amongst the cultures here may eventually make us less unique individually, but it makes us more global. Good ideas will win out, and the USA is the largest social Darwinism experiment in existence. The internet is turning the whole connected world into this.

I'm a product from Iran and Colombia, and I was born in Louisiana, I grew up here as a first generation American in the south (Louisiana and Texas). I've traveled to England, Colombia, Iran, Indonesia, Canada, and Mexico. I am an American, but I dare you to accuse me of being "without" a culture.

Khodahafez, Adios and Goodbye. :)

  Aurash Dec 21, 2013 5:47 AM

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I strongly believe that the person who wrote this article is confused about what culture is. MCD's, KFC, Walmart and baseball caps allusive to american baseball teams, are products of american media, and the powerful corporations which have exported these with easiness. These, however, have nothing to do with culture. Whatever culture the U.S. has, comes in the shape and form of all the immigrants who make up this nation, bringing with them their own culture and idiosyncrasies. E Pluribus Unum is a lot more than a mere logo on U.S. coins. It is the reality of what makes this country strong and different (not better): Native Americans (who were already here), Asian, Hispanics, Europeans, Africans, Middle Eastern, and all that which they have brought forth with them!

  jaime pereira Mar 29, 2014 5:00 AM

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The 23-year-old me strongly believes that the people who read this blog are confused about her intentions with this entry and is startled by how many people are reading her blog from seven years ago. She is also fascinated by how many people seem to stop reading before they reach the end. I was not professing anything other than my own personal thoughts and observations on what I was experiencing as an ex-pat in Beijing. This blog is meant to be a journal of my personal time traveling seven years ago, and nothing more.

  avant-garde_chauvintist Mar 29, 2014 5:14 AM

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I have lived in the US for almost 20 years,I am originally from Italy. It is amusing to read some of the above posts. I believe that every country has its culture with its characteristic,s which can variate depending on which area you go to. The question is not if you have a culture, but how refined is its culture? Italy would not be what it is today if it wasn't for it's millenarian culture. A person posted somewhere above, that history and culture are two different things, he/she is so wrong! History is intimately related to culture,one example is the gastronomic history of Italy, many dishes where inherited through the historical influence of rulers, invaders etc. Sicilian history for example, is very diverse and extremely rich under many aspects and we can see this through its music, food, art, architecture etc. Therefore, every country has its own culture and subcultures, the point is, what is the predominant culture to which all of its sub-cultures subscribe to and how well developed is this culture?

  Lina Oct 25, 2014 11:02 AM

 

 

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